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August 30, 2010 by Stacy McDonald
Categories: Homeschooling, Video
I went to public school for 8 years and I learned nothing. Fridays were movie days and you were only taught enough to pass the Leap test. In 8th grade I made A’s and B’s but I only had a 5th grade English mentality. Every single English Test I took you were able to use a 3×5 card that had all of the answers on it. My mom started to homeschool me in the 9th grade. Not only has my grades improved but I actually understand the information being taught.
thanks for sharing, so sad… Makes me thankful we have the freedom to have our precious children at home and it’s a beautiful reminder just how incredible that opportunity is… How important it is as a homeschooling mother it is to pour our hearts into our job!
I learned amazing things, Kelseye. I’m sorry you had lesser experience.
Thanks for sharing Stacy! My oldest is 4 1/2 and I am praying/considering what to do with his schooling. This post came at a perfect time for where I am at. Thank you! I went through the Public school system and had a very good experience, but a lot has changed in 20 years!…
It’s kind of sad that we see homeschooling as an answer to this very serious problem. The children in this video that attend these very poorly performing schools have parents who cannot afford to forgo income to homeschool and often they have limited schooling themselves. Instead, if we seek a compassionate, missional approach to this serious problem in education maybe we should consider getting involved not separating ourselves from those less priviledged. Jesus didn’t separate himself from the messy aspects of life and to promote homeschooling as a “more Godly” approach is quite tragic.
Wow. Powerful words, Sarah. I think homeschooling is wonderful, but you’re right, not everyone can do it.
We are starting our lessons tomorrow September 1.
My conviction for homeschooling is big, but it is not easy for me because my children are still young and just want to play and play.
Anyhow, I know that the Lord will help us in this new school year.
My husband is now more involved in reading aloud, and that is great.
When I went to school I DID learned a lot, but those where other times.
Sarah – “It’s kind of sad that we see homeschooling as an answer to this very serious problem.”
Sad? There are parents who are going to rescue their children, no matter if you think it’s sad or not. “Stupid in America” made it clear that busting the public school monopoly makes a difference in the quality of education. People have homeschooled their children and worked towards that in the legislatures and courts at the same time.
“Instead, if we seek a compassionate, missional approach to this serious problem in education maybe we should consider getting involved not separating ourselves from those less priviledged. Jesus didn’t separate himself from the messy aspects of life and to promote homeschooling as a ‘more Godly’ approach is quite tragic.”
Tragic? I know homeschoolers who have tutored public school students. They’re in a better position to help those in public school, having gotten the education needed. I suppose it would be more “Godly” if such children stayed in public school so that they would themselves need tutoring, instead of being able to provide it. I know a former teacher who homeschooled her own children and she also has tutored school children. You seem to think educational choice means an “either/or” situation.
I’m curious: what are you doing to help those less privileged in education?
Go to This Little Light of Mine to read more about why it is not wise to expect children to be missionaries in the public schools.
I see Sarah’s point: not everyone can homeschool. For these people, for thousands, public schooling is vital and the suggestion to end it by giving children a home education, which is by no means automatically superior, is no remedy.
“I suppose it would be more “Godly” if such children stayed in public school so that they would themselves need tutoring, instead of being able to provide it”
There’s no need for sarcasm, nor does Sarah need to explain what she does to hep under-privileged children in order to validate her point.
It’s one thing to say you are for finding a way to give a Christian education to heathen children. It’s another thing to say we should give our Christian children to the heathen for training. What do we expect they’ll be trained in? And no, I’m not saying there aren’t a few Christian teachers desperately trying to swim upstream in the huge sea of ungodly government schools. I’m saying that the public school anti-God worldview is boldly and purposefully promoted.
And Scripture is obvious that we have a responsibility to train our children up in the Lord. Deut. 6:7 If you send someone to a teacher to learn, you expect them to learn what the teacher knows and believes. (Luke 6:40)
Did Christ go out into ministry as a child? Jesus was never sent to the heathen to be taught and trained. He went to the temple. We’re taught from Scripture to train up our children in the ways of the Lord night and day. How can we do that if we have sent them to the heathen to be trained?
This is exactly why we need to educate ourselves about the nature of schools if that’s what we choose. I’d love for my kids to go to the same schools I did.
I hope I don’t come across too harshly in this post. This is my 3rd year of homeschooling my dd. I will be honest and say that I get very frustrated each fall when I see tons of facebook pictures of kids getting on those yellow school buses. Most of my Christian friends send their kids to public school. I went to public school 20 years ago, during my junior year. I had gone to Christian school the rest of the years (and went back to the Christian school my senior year).
The public school was bad then! I had guys grope at me when I walked down the hall, and they made sexual comments. My history teacher was drunk about 75% of the time. His class was the first one I ever slept in, and I did it regularly. I honestly can say I didn’t learn a single thing in that class. My speech teacher cussed us out almost daily. My journalism class had a group of satanists who brought pictures of satanic rituals. I remember fist fights between girls where the girls ripped each other’s hair out. People made out by their lockers. Girls on the cheerleading squad would wear their short cheerleading skirts minus their underwear. I am not making this stuff up!
This was 20 years ago, and my school was considered a “good” school! Can you even imagine what goes on in public schools NOW?? Besides the fact that they are bombarded with sex at super early ages, they are also being taught about how “normal and natural” homosexuality is. They are taught completely anti-God teachings.
My husband and I worked with youth group kids that were almost all public school kids. We were shocked when we asked the question, “Do you think homosexuality is wrong?” and their replies were all a resounding “No.”. They all had been brainwashed to believe that people were born that way. And these kids were from the “best” schools around.
I can tell you that each one that graduated is now living far from the Lord. Why would Christian parents want to send their kids into that kind of environment? I always hear the argument of “so they can be salt and light in the world.” Obviously the parents don’t remember what it was like being a teenager. Peer pressure is insane, and these kids do not end up being salt and light. They end up like the world.
I know homeschooling is hard work, but I get tired of hearing women say, “Oh I could never do that.” Yes, you can! I wake up most times having no desire to teach my daughter. I am not a born teacher by any means. But I truly believe the verse that says, “I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me!” And He does just that. It is hard work, but the rewards are worth it. These are our children we are talking about here. We need to think of their needs before ours.
Jennifer, Sarah was the first to put “Godly” in quotes and I quoted her. Was she being sarcastic?
You said, “…public schooling is vital and the suggestion to end it by giving children a home education,…”
Nothing that I saw in “Stupid in America,” nor in the post presenting it with the headline “Consider Homeschooling…”, suggested ending public schooling by giving children a home education.
“Can you even imagine what goes on in public schools NOW??”
I can, because I’ve seen it. None of my teachers were like that, nor the kids. I’ve also heard of worse schools, but our town has wonderful places. And it’s true, not all parents are equipped to teach, esepcially children with learning disabilities like I was.
Praise God for giving you strength to protect your children, Jen.
“Nothing that I saw in “Stupid in America,” nor in the post presenting it with the headline “Consider Homeschooling…”, suggested ending public schooling by giving children a home education”
No, but I thought you did imply that. Thanks for clarifying.
Donna, you said, ” I suppose it would be more “Godly” if such children stayed in public school so that they would themselves need tutoring, instead of being able to provide it”. This suggestion sounded sarcastic. But if you were serious, excuse me.
Let’s please remember that these are children we are talking about. I live in a city where nearly half of the public school kids are below the poverty line. Their parents aren’t likely to homeschool them. There are times when I wish the homeschool families would stop thumbing their noses at public schooled kids and reach out to the children who need academic help and even be a mentor. The bible is very clear about our duty to help those in need whether they are Christians or not. Homeschool parents love to boast about higher achievement among their kids. If this is true then share that knowledge with children who are caught in a failing system.
This is my first year to hs. I am teaching my K son and my 2nd grade son. I also have a dd who is 16mo and a 2 yro niece that I take care of 3-4 days a week. We are busy – but this has been one of the best things that we have ever done. It is so natural to have all my chicks w/me. The Lord put the desire into my heart before my oldest son started K – but my husband, who was teaching/coaching, at a private school didn’t agree. I continued to pray about it and mid-way thru our son’s first grade yr, the Lord put my husband and I on the same page! Praise God!!
Stacey, thank you for all of your post on hs, etc. The Lord has used you in such a mighty way to encourage me – to answer the call to hs, to give up control over my womb and to strive to be the godly wife and mother that He desires me to be. Thank you for being so bold for Him!! You are just precious to me!!
As for this discussion on public school, if we send our children to public school then we are basically telling them that when they are at school 7-8 hours a day, it is okay for them to not submit to the Lordship of Christ. They can’t pray, some can’t even speak about God and they are teaching them content that is against the Bible. How is this okay?
As far as the other children mentioned above, this is where the church is needed. The church, not the government, is needed to help step in and bridge the gaps. This is also where we, the body, need to make sure that we are tithing. This will allow our churches to extend to the needy in our communities. We are to help those who are in need – but the Bible also clearly defines what those needy should be doing – like if you do not work, in some way, you do not eat.
Very compelling, Paula.
Please think about what you just said. You made a sweeping statement that implied thousands of Christian families “thumb their noses” at public schooled children – children that are their nieces, nephews, neighbors, and brothers and sisters in the Lord. That is a huge exaggeration – and an extremely ungracious assumption.
Yes, we have a duty/call to help those in need; but, what you seem to be saying is that if a Christian parent takes seriously the call to train up his own children in the Lord, and to homeschool, that automatically means he/she is neglecting this call.
I always laugh when I hear people use this argument because homeschooling is exactly what God used to equip our children (and us), not only with the ability, but also with unique opportunities to reach out to the lost. Our children were HOME, so we were able to be a blessing to others in ways that were absolutely not possible before. And our children were on board with us because they were being taught, trained, and influenced by us instead of false doctrine, peer dependencies, and pop culture. (Not to mention learning more in general because of the one on one teaching style). And our unsaved neighbors noticed. They were intrigued and curious and WANTED to know more about our faith and why our children were different.
I wasn’t saying that all Christian children should go to public school and be “salt and light”. What I’m saying is that I wish more successful homeschool families would reach out and become tutors and mentors to those children who are stuck in poor inadequate public schools. In addition to academic help, the children (and possibly their parents) will see that you are different just as your neighbors did and may want to know about your faith.
Great comments here! I’d like to address something from a little different perspective. I have 8 children and have been homeschooling for 18 years. My oldest is in his 2nd year of medical school, two in college and the others well on their way. I wish I could say that it was my amazing homeschooling that prepped my kids for the rigors of college but in all honesty, it was lots of wonderful outsourcing and concurrent college classes during their high school years that prepared them the most. My husband and i did our best to lay a foundation, encouraging a passion for learning as well as discipling their precious hearts. In my interaction with countless homeschooling families over the years I have sadly found a growing number of young people very ill equipped academically with no direction once they graduate. Many are floundering, which I find to be a sad testimony for the cause of Christ. Yes, we can say all we want about the pathetic state of public schools but in all honesty, I’ve met a whole lot of public school Christian kids that seem better equipped both academically and even spiritually than many homeschooled ones! Maybe the root of the problem lies more with the parents than the institution. Thank you for allowing me to comment!
If I may so, I never saw Paula’s comment as including every homeschooling family. I know of many great HS families, but I’ve also seen subtle pride against PS ones.
Thank you for posting this, Stacy~
I watched it in the morning with my homeschooled daughter and put it on again in the evening to watch with my husband.
My daughter is beginning the middle school years and it is our plan to send her to high school in the town’s public high school. This video gave the three of us some good things to talk about and particularly some good things for my husband and I to think about and look for with the school. We also have some really nice, strong Christian young relatives who go/went to the same school and it gives me some things to talk about and find out about from them.
I also want to say that I am a Christian but not patriarchial or of all the same beliefs as you and your family, but I do learn a lot from what you post on your blog–still not convinced of all your beliefs ;-) but what we have in common (love for our Savior, love for our husbands and children, commitment to doing the best we can for our families with God’s help…) is the key.
First let me say, I love your blog. I find so much encouragement and wisdom as I am being constantly pointed back to the word. Thank you.
Second, this documentary is very sad. My heart aches for these students. It is scary to think that these poor children are our future leaders. There is a great disservice being done not only to them but to our nation.
Neglect and apathy are running rampant and no one seems to realize it until it is too late.
Parents and or the teachers, some times it is both, are failing these children. I have witnessed time and time again the paradigm of parents shift once their child is school age or sent to school after being home schooled. Somehow, in their minds, they are now free from the “burden” of their child’s education. It is no longer their responsibility.
On the flip side, I have also spoken to teachers who are forbidden to lay any kind of consequence(ie. honest grading, detention, pulled from sports team) before students for fear of the backlash from the parents on the administration. It is getting ridiculous. You can not expect the students to strive when they have been trained that their efforts are unnecessary.
Obviously it is not just one clear problem, there are several.
While we are a homeschooling family, we work with public school families everyday. It is part of our calling. We enjoy the praise we get from others concerning our kids’ behavior, discipline and work ethic. However it saddens me that they are surprised that my husband and I have accomplished this “unattainable feat” of raising good kids. I always seize this opportunity to encourage them to be the parents they were meant to be. To remind them that they are responsible for their parenting or lack there of. Tactfully of course. But it is such a blessing to see the lights come on. And more times than not, they do come on.
We truly need to be praying for our nation, our nations children, and our future.
Thank you for posting this! I graduated from public schools in 2001, and I knew they were bad then…I honestly think they have gotten worse. We have 3 children, and am now more than ever grateful for the freedom to homeschool our children.
As with some of the other commentors…I remember movie days-some were quite inappropriate and/or irrelevant to our learning.
I remember having an index card filled with information, or sometimes even a piece of paper, or heck, the whole book open to take a test.
I think the majority of class time was spent disciplining those students who couldn’t help but talk talk talk and throw things and backtalk the teacher. Spending gym class sitting in the bleachers with the other girls braiding each others hair was also a great use of time. Or, my favorite, sometimes having to sit and do nothing in my chair for over an hour waiting for other students to finish their tests. And don’t get me started on the busywork /homework that sometimes took hours every evening to do. I had classmates come to school drunk, high on various drugs. Heck, some people had water bottles full of alcohol. Cliques, drug dogs, security guards, metal dectectors, teasing, fights, buses so crowded you had to sit on the floor.. etc etc etc…oh, I dont miss public school!
And I think the worst thing I ever heard a teacher have to say was when a student asked a question, and she said she could not answer it because she had to get through the information that was going to be on the SOL test that was coming up and didn’t have time for anything else. The kid was just asking a question about a book we had just read.
And I came from the mid to upper middle class suburbs in a county with the “best schools”.
“Or, my favorite, sometimes having to sit and do nothing in my chair for over an hour waiting for other students to finish their tests”
That’s why it’s always useful to bring a book to read. Those were my favorite times.
“I remember having an index card filled with information, or sometimes even a piece of paper, or heck, the whole book open to take a test”
Open book tests are relevant and help students learn how to look for information.
“I think the majority of class time was spent disciplining those students who couldn’t help but talk talk talk and throw things and backtalk the teacher”
I disagree; they COULD help it.
“Spending gym class sitting in the bleachers with the other girls braiding each others hair was also a great use of time”
That happened rarely for me, so when it did, it was a blessing. Once again, my spare reading time.
As for movies we never saw anything inappropriate (excepting Polanski’s horrible “Macbeth”). Anything irrelevant to our learning was meant to give us a break from work, and we appreciated it. Regarding homework, I hated it too but it was relevant to study and has been part of school for at least a few centuries.
Donna illustrates exactly the “us” vs “them” mentality that the “homeschooling movement” has created. I am not sending my children as missionaries into the public schools… I am sending them there because I want my children to learn more than a bunch of moralistic attitudes that pervade Christian only circles. I want them to see “others” as people not heathens. I want them to love the less loveable. This is as much about their character development. I have searched and see very few better opportunities for families or children to learn to be like Christ in this way. Period.
There are instances and individual situations where homeschooling is clearly a Spirit driven decision. However, to promote the idea that the ONLY Godly way to raise your children is to school them at home is not a Gospel centered approach. It creates a separatist ideaology that is dangerous to Christianity. If I were to be called to school my children at home I would certainly try to avoid those with attitudes of superiority about it because last time I read the Gospels, the Epistles, and so on HUMILITY seems to be far more important than superior morality. And, from the posts I’ve read: we don’t seem to be rich in grace or humility on this issue. I humbly ask my Lord every day if I can please keep my children at home because it would be safer there. And, he says, “No. They are mine and I want them to see My heart.” Home is not where many, many Christians are called to keep their children for schooling and we should not be made to feel lowly or inferior or less Godly for this choice. I make it in obedience and pray daily for my children.
As a side note: two friends who homeschool their children have second graders who cannot read proficiently. Perfectly normal children. Two friends have second graders in public education who read chapter books. Hmmmm….
Lastly: I taught in the public schools and saw more passionate followers of Christ there than I have in leading church youth groups. The high school students walked with the Lord in the face of different opinions (kind of like the disciples) and knew their Lord personally and radiated that to those around them. I shared my faith (yes… shocking since the idea pervades that it is “illegal” to do so) and still talk with my students from that time even though I have stayed home with my young children for four years. Currently my family spends a lot of time with “heathen” children who attend public schools and we learn one heck of a lot from them.
As a substitute teacher who is reluctanly going back to substitute in these public schools I agree with this documentary. School choice (including homeschooling) and vouchers are the best idea. Not only should bad teachers be fired but bad kids should be expelled. I do not understand why so many societies believe that we need to shove hundreds of children in one building to be educated and socialized.
Some of you might ask Georgia if you do not like teaching why are you doing it? Because of this economy and heavy government regulations, banks not lending money it is very hard to find a job in the private sector doing what I do best BANKING.
Wow, what an amazing debate and what a terribly sad report from 20/20.
I do not send my children to public school because of the problems that I KNOW will arise. One of the biggest arguments I receive when I tell others that I homeschool is that of the socialization issue. I then retort with the obvious, “what good thing can a 10 yr old teach another 10 yr old?” Of course, there will always be extraordinary children, but 9 times out of 10 the children you will not have a good result.
I couldn’t believe some of the things that were allowed in my school and I was the kid that ended up passing out Bibles between classes. We had at least three homosexual teachers who were big influences on their students because they were considered “the cool ones” We had fights, drugs, alcohol, etc… (and we were one of the “good” schools) I was continuously persecuted about my faith which would be fine, except that I was much too young and my parents had the “out of sight, out of mind” attitude many parents possess today. I was so traumatized by the persecution that I eventually buckled and “became cool” by dressing in tighter fitting, clevage showing clothing, taking the Lord’s name in vain, making fun of others, etc… My sister had it worse and got with a group of friends that had her doing things I couldn’t believe!!! She could have ended up dead on so many occasions and I praise God that she didn’t. Not one of my public schooled relatives have maintained a Christian walk :( They live in the world because they were taught by the world. Think about it, you spend at the most 4 hours in church every week and at least 6 hours per day, 5 days a week in school. Where will your heart truly be???
As far as the movies go, wow!!! I will never forget watching the movie “Seven” in french class, “Boys of Brazil” in my biology class, “Harold & Maude” & “Pink Floyd’s The Wall” in Communications class, etc… The teachers did not pass out permission slips they just stuck the movies in and let us watch nudity, cursing, and violence without a second thought. It is considered “artsy” and “progressive” to show these types of things to the children. If you think that this does not happen then you are sadly mistaken. If you want to take the risk that is up to you, but as for me and my house we will serve the Lord.
If we would submit to God’s wisdom we would find that not one mother has to work outside of the home that she should be raising her children in. We are all capable of homeschooling through His strength, but if you choose to send your children off then you must sit with them and school them when they get home on why the public school teachings are in direct contradiction of God! If you don’t you will be very sad when you can’t go back and turn their hearts toward Him. If someone is constantly taught to question their faith because it is not what “educated” people believe then they will start losing faith! Whenever I am tempted to put my children in school, I consider my reasons and they are ALWAYS selfish and prideful. I am embarrassed when questioned by relatives and it is hard work, but I also consider what it says in Mark for my children “I don’t want to gain the whole world and lose my soul.”
Bless you, bless you, bless you for posting this segment to your blog. This issue has reached critical mass. I can come at this from two significant vantage points: (1) having been a teacher in America for many years, and (2) now living in a country where the state schools are as bad if not worse than America’s, and where only the very wealthy have access to excellent education (the UK).
First, I can tell you from having been on the inside, for MOST teachers, it is all about job security and income. The portrayal of the unions is very accurate. And, the ambiguous remarks by the SC education secretary, as well as the leader of the union, indicate that these people know full well what they are doing, and that it is unethical and immoral.
Second, when the state takes away choice in education, it filters over into everything. In this country (the UK), residents have very little choice about anything: schools, housing (most rentals, for instance, are owned by the local councils, or “authorities,” and those governing bodies determine what type and size of a house you are ALLOWED to have, whether you can pay for it or not), retail experiences, transportation, type of food available, and on and on.
The typical Scottish student, at least where I live, who has gone through public high school (which amazingly begins at age 12, and the STUDENT has the choice to leave at age 16, whether he has learned anything or not — called “school leavers,” not drop-outs), cannot read well, has no understanding of history or geography, is lacking in math and science skills, and more often than not, ends up pregnant at 16 and then the state GIVES her and her boyfriend an income and a house.
THAT is what happens when choice is eliminated. That type of life is the norm. America needs to wake up and see what is going on. Maybe the schools in Belgium are great (I have no doubt that they are superior to American ones), but in countries where the state calls all the shots, everyone’s life, and quality of life, is compromised, and the whole society falls to the lowest possible level. That is the case in the UK.
Oh, and finally, the UK, as the Pope stated in his recent visit here, has fallen victim to “aggressive secularization,” which means there are NO standards, and everyone suffers.
Thank you for this post. It is so important. And yes, I hope a dialogue is brewing across the entire country.
I just cannot help myself from replying here today. I have been reading your blog recently after having stumbled upon your courtship questions. My husband and I thoroughly enjoyed them, and he has them bookmarked for us!
At any rate, I am a public school teacher. I teach part time, and I teach in a preK classroom. Most of the teachers I know are certainly not in it for the money, and they genuinely care about what their students learn, how they behave, and the choices they make. I am in a very pro-union state, and I would find it very difficult to work in a school where the teachers were not afforded some protections and bargaining rights. But I suppose that is another topic…
I am at this point in time called to be in the public schools. There may come a point in time where the Lord tells me to stay home and homeschool. I would do so gladly! I count many homeschooling mamas among my good friends. I think the success of homeschooling tends to lie in the fact that there is parental involvement in the child’s education. When my students’ parents are involved in their education, my students also excel.
Teachers are particularly free to share about their faith as students get older. My husband teaches in the middle school, and if the students ask him direct questions, he is free to answer. He is also free to allow students to carry on conversations about their own faith. Before and after school Bible studies/prayer groups on school property are allowed. Our pastor has done a very effective ministry in the public schools over the past 10 years leading a Bible study, and encouraging Christian students to be vocal about their faith.
As a product of the public schools, I did not succumb to the ways of the world. I did not drink, smoke, become promiscuous. My husband was my only boyfriend, and he is the only man I have ever kissed, and we didn’t marry until I was 28. I have always been able to get along with people of many different ages and backgrounds. I do not say this to necessarily promote public schools, but I think it is quite important to realize that there are parents who choose to send their children to school, or who MUST send their children to school, and their children can still turn out OK. A homeschooling friend who I admire greatly once said that fear is not by itself a good reason to homeschool. That makes good sense to me, because good homeschooling takes more than just a reaction to what happens in the public schools.
I feel very blessed to be in a church where there are both public schooling and homeschooling families, and while each believe their choice is best for their families, there is respect for each other. No matter our choice for our children’s education, we should be able to share our successes and our frustrations with each other without fear of judgment and criticism.
Stacy, have you heard of Colin Gunn’s new project? It is going to be a documentary called “Indoctrination” about public schools and the dangers many present http://www.indoctrinationmovie.com/
Now, I’ll always defend schools like mine, with Christian teachers and students living and teaching as they should. But things are getting worse in the secular world and I’ll definitely be looking into this film.
The video in regards to schools in America was heartbreaking. Knowing that any child in America has to deal with THAT for 8 hours a day is heartwrenching. However, I have to admit, seeing the bickering that is going back and forth on here (as well as other sites) is equally as troubling.
Our schools ARE in trouble. No matter how “good” your school is or was, you can not deny that the overall public school system is going down like the Titanic. During my upbringing, I was in 8 different schools. Some were good, some were bad, some had great teachers who cared others did not. However, ALL were lacking in some way. To the people who are on the PS side, for you to ignore this fact makes your responses appear to be one sided.
HOWEVER, the homeschoolers on here as well as on other blogs are equally to blame for their short sightedness. It is wonderful that you expound on the joys of homeschooling and how “good” it is for children. No one can deny that on academic test most homeschoolers with parents who back them shine. However, when I read your post it seems that you do not understand that there are millions in this country who can not be homeschooled. Whether it is due to the fact that they work, the fact that they are uneducated, the fact that they feel inadequate, there is something there that makes them feel they can not possibly home school. Regardless of what you believe in regards to homeschooling, or if you believe that non-homeschoolers are making excuses. You CAN NOT deny the fact that there will always be people in this country that will be unable to homeschool. These children should not be considered heathen children (which someone has indicated in this discussion). These children should be thought about and helped.
Whether we like it or not, the simple fact is that we live with people who are strongly christian AND are strongly secular. Our lives are tied to everyone else in some way shape or form. So lets not hurt each other with words. Lets not say “our” way is better than yours. We need to work together to find some type of solution where EVERY child has a chance (morally as well as academically). How we do that I am not sure. All I do know is the us vs. them mentality (which both sides have shown ) need to END.
Say what you want about me and that I am a horrible person, but the truth is that both sides are not helping.
I watched all of it that I could stand to watch. Don’t you think this is a problem that begins in the home? Broken homes, mothers working, latch-key kids, no dads, nobody having time to make sure children are well-fed an well-rested with their homework done, taken to the doctor when sick, etc?
Teachers are not allowed to discipline much (no excuse for boring teachers, but it must be hard to give your best effort with students like this), which accounts for the out-of-control behavior (and they’re not disciplined at home — parents too busy/tired, afraid to discipline).
It is terrible that our country has gotten to this state. Other countries are not as bad off as we are yet, in their family lives, so they do better in their schools, but they are getting there.
I’m glad we and our children went to rural schools where we did not have this problem. But even in the rural areas, families are breaking down.
We did private school for a while, and most of the kids there were from middle-class, intact homes, where the children were well-fed and well-rested and their homework done, so they COULD be a year or more ahead of the public schools.
So sad. The problem is with our homes. The public school system and the criminal justice system cannot rectify that. Our homes are so important. It is a good thing to try to strengthen homes in our country.
After watching the video and and reading the posts, it seems to me that in today’s [secular] society that “choice” is a dirty word…unless it has to do with abortion.
We need to be in prayer for families in America as well as society in general. It all begins at home. Life begets life just as sin/death beget sin/death.
While I totally support vouchers, etc., homeschooling is the only “alternative” for rural areas like mine. Our county only has one ISD.
My oldest dd was in PRE-K last year and came home telling me that “girls are nothin’ but booty” according to a little boy in her class. I had already been feeling called to homeschool, and that pretty much sealed the deal for me!
May we all follow our Father as He leads us.
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